While this bonus can feel overpowered in that way, the main thing that makes it such an amazing bonus is the fact that it's scale ability is reverse to that of what most ships in eve end up, by that I mean when applied to larger fleets the web bonus is less and less important. While in smaller fleets it becomes more and more important. For this reason alone I believe it is one of the few bonuses in eve that need to stay as is, simply for the reason that they help smaller groups against bigger groups.

The fact that a vindicator can hit a frigate isn't really a large problem, it's certainly not prevalent enough to outweigh the good factors of the 90% webs.

Personally I think the bonus is a bit over-powered. You need 4 standard 60% webs to equal the effect of a single % bonused web and while this isn't horrible on a Frigate, where fittings are tight and double 90% webs are rare on the larger ships it's down-right overpowering.

Sorry but Worm with one drone pack? Changes are fine but allow him to have 2 setups of drones. If I want switch drone dmg I need dock and change drones. No1 using him cause he dont have dmg, is expensive. Now you want give him more dmg but one drone bay on drone ship sound gay... Tristan > Worm - before and after your changes if you dont allow him to 50 drone capacity.

You obviously have little experience flying dreads, signature resolution makes that a nearly impossible task. The hitting value is not determined just by the relative velocity and range it has to do with gun resolution and sig radius as well which makes hitting these ships with a dread hard even at 0 velocity. The other fact is that this is the medium sized warfare I was referring to, fights of less than 100-200 people where a smaller gang can operate and fight the larger gang using it's resources to it's advantage. Blap dreads are a highly effective way to counter numbers and comes with so many down sides to using that that they are no where near broken.

I am a major advocate for any and all mechanics that support quality over quantity in eve, blap dreads not only require expensive fits and a large amount of skill points but they require great teamwork and skilled pilots that know what they're doing.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Turret_Damage

As long as turret resolution is larger than the target resolution there will always be a chance to miss. Also no ship is truly at zero velocity, eve under dual 90% webs you're still moving and then it has an immensely larger effect on the turret resolution, XL guns simply wont hit any frigate that's moving, even at a slow pace

And yes, being mainly a pvper that operates outside of such sites I was not aware of that at the time. Also nothing else warped in to save the archon, large ecm drones alone got me out. Though that is hardly relevant to this conversation

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The idea of a Sentry Rattlesnake doctrine with the 300% role bonus and the inherent tankiness they have is terrifying - they will end up as pocket carriers. (I'd expect still very vulnerable to alpha doctrines however; but this is speculation on something that isn't even released yet.)

Thoughts on adding an according bonus to EW/Repair drones on the guristas ships?

Giving people the option to sacrifice the damage drones in their meager drone bay for added utility from the other drones without being completely let down by the bandwith restriction makes for interesting fitting choices.

Also I must ask how you intend to deal with the Gila and Rattlesnake if you are going to give them a 300% bonus and 50m3 bandwith to launch two large size drones, since 5 mediums/lights bonused like that would be incredibly powerful against smaller targets as well as targets in the same size class.

This just in, a solo frigate or cruiser vs a gang of ships loses....

Honestly, if you have 4 people webbing and painting you it doesn't matter what hits you. Your odds of survival are slim regardless at that point. The fact that it requires several people to pin you to the point the Dread can hit you IS the balancing factor.

It goes without saying that it will be totally absurd to roll out the 2 drone policy the worm gets into the gila/RS.









We'll get 3 drones.

Isn't that what the NOS bonus is supposed to do?

Web range bonus?

I mean I get it, its fast, but you still can't hit **** while being fast, and you still can't tank anything in comparison. At the end of the day you're both in range and slow'ish, but the Sansha boat can't tank because its slots are used by web/scram, and it can't hit/dps because lasers are outclassed at that range by everything else.

Yes its fast, but its at best, the most "meh" of the group. What role is this filling?

Mechanics (and sniping) aside, my position remains unanswered. In what narrative would the same drones suddenly become 4 times as strong merely by being controlled by a given ship?

Can someone explain to me the reason behind a tracking buff for a frigate?

Never flown a sansha, did you? Can't use AB long term cause it eats the cap u need for the lasers/shields. No second of cap to spend on AB in current config. So useless bonus without cap changes.

I'm most interested around the Sansha ships as the Succubus and Phantasm are really really unpopular even compared to their Blood Raider and Gurista counterparts. This afterburner bonus is nice and adds something different, as especially paired with the huge buff to it's velocity will result in it achieving like 1500+ m/s. So even scrammed and webbed it'll still be doing 600 or so m/s.

The Sansha need more work, why would anyone use a succubus when the Retribution is basically the same thing, but armor tanked?

How is the AB bonus that much inherently better than the MWD bonus?

You've given them a new bonus to speed, but no adjustments to their damage application, so now you're just going really fast and missing all the time.

Lasers are not the inherit bonus that they were designed to be, their range is decent but their damage is weak, and compared to rails there's no huge benefit to beams. Range isn't important enough of a factor in frigate warfare to warrant using beams when Scorch will do 90% of the work.

I don't see this making the Sansha line desirable. You'll still be caught by interceptors, or dramiels, you'll be out dps'ed and out tanked, so why bother?

sorry what B-R?

we can't all lose 100b frigs :)

you just paid too mutch for it bro

why am I the only one who thinks 3 lowslot cruor is ********? it's awful.

Cruor doesnt have the range on guns and neither neuts/nos to use its web bonus. Want to deal 100 scorch dps with pulses - you have to go into scram range. Want to neut your target so you actually can break its tank with 100dps - you have to go DEEP inside scram range. And only thing that awaits you there is being scrammed and counterwebbed and losing any mobility advantage you had (with 90% web).

The only ships it can help you with are nano kiters - that will damp you to oblivion anyway.

Cant argue with that... though my problem is with the missile bonus. .. what do you think about it?

would like to see it apply to rockets as well
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Sure, with overheat and dc tank. Gz, you have now 100m ship that is worse than retri or slicer, but thanks to the web it can at least run from them.
And you may as well ditch that neut/nos bonus completely, because any time you are in range to use it, you are webbed, scrammed and dying. Not that you will have cpu to actually fit that neuts/nos in such gank setup (why does ccp keeps giving laser frigs these "troll" highslots...).

Anyway, be careful with it in current meta, because afaik 17k is also range of skirmish boosted t2 web.

Yeah, but the problem comes when somebody targets one of your drones and starts to kill it- you lose half of your DPS. Having to pull drones or get drones popped is already super annoying for Drone pilots, this idea will make that even worse- basically, this idea is a huge back-handed nerf to ships that just needed a little touch up to keep them on par with Gallente drone ships. (Well, the Worm needed a little more than Gila or Rattler do...either way, this totally does not seem like the way to go.)

Which isn't long enough, lol. Another problem with the "less but more powerful drones" theory is that if you are missing your target at all your DPS is going to go out the window.

i can nerf the role bonus then to 50%

They also have a much higher resist profile and higher damage output as well, whereas this particular ship has none of that. Those two things combined to make it just too much on the AF hull.

. Drop the missile focus (which encourages more creative use of the highs. Wouldn't Gallente-Caldari combo hulls favor hybrids, anyway?)

You must have 'missing the point' trained to V.